How much are the Penalties for Overstaying as a Tourist in the Philippines?

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How much is the Overstaying Fee for Tourists in the Philippines?

Most Tourists to the Philippines are allowed to stay for 30 days before needing to apply for a Visa. The first Tourist Visa extension is the initial extension of twenty-nine (29) days, taking the visit up to 59 days.


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This is commonly followed by a two month extension, although some Bureau of Immigration offices allow a 6 month extension.

If a person stay in the Philippines without a Valid Visitor Visa, then penalties are applied, and added to the unpaid Visa fees.

These combined penalties and fees can add up over time and can be something like the following figures:

I have calculated the following approximate costs for overstay payments including Visa Fees, ACR cards and Penalties.

Pesos:
4,310 From One day to One Month Overstay (Updated Sept 2017)
6,000 Total for between One and Two Months Overstay (Updated July 2018)
13,000 Total for Up to Three Month Overstay
15,000 Total for Up to Four Month Overstay
17,000 Total for Up to Five Month Overstay
18,000 Total for Up to Six Months Overstay
20,000 Total for Up to Seven Month Overstay
22,000 Total for Up to Eight Month Overstay
24,000 Total for Up to Nine Month Overstay
26,000 Total for Up to Ten Month Overstay
28,000 Total for Up to Eleven Month Overstay
30,000 Total for Up to Twelve Months Overstay
60,000 Total for Up to Two Years Overstay
90,000 Total for Up to Three Years Overstay
120,000 Total for Up to Four Years Overstay
150,000 Total for Up to Five Years Overstay
180,000 Total for Up to Six Years Overstay
210,000 Total for Up to Seven Years Overstay
240,000 Total for Up to Eight Years Overstay
270,000 Total for Up to Nine Years Overstay
300,000 Total for Up to Ten Years Overstay
450,000 Total for Up to Fifteen Years Overstay

Note: These are approximate costs Immigration will determine the exact cost when you visit their office.

A reasonable ‘estimate’ can be made by calculating 3,000 pesos for every month of Overstay. Or about 30,000 for each year.

These figures are approximate calculations based on 2016 fees. They may reduce the cost if they base it on the actual fees dues for older years, which may be less than the 2016 fees.

Charges can also be higher in some cases, such as one example in the comments below:

Pesos:

79,500 For a 19 months overstay.

Financial Penalties for Visa Overstay in the Philippines:

The minimum penalties appear to be:

  • All Visa Extension Fees not previously paid.
  • Fine for Overstaying – (additional) Php 500.00 per month
  • Motion for Reconsideration for Overstaying – (additional) Php 500.00

I have read that the Overstay fee for just a few days would be about 4,000 pesos.

This would be the 3,030 peso first Visa Extension fee + Overstay Fees.  (2015 fees)

If the Overstay is for over one month, but less than two months, then I would guess that the fee would be closer to 12,000 peso, made up as follows:

3,030 pesos – First Visa Extension fee
7,340 pesos – Next Visa Extension fee plus the ACR-i card fee
1,000 pesos – Fine for Overstaying (2 months)
500 pesos – Motion for Reconsideration for Overstaying

If the Overstay is for just over one year, then I would guess that the fee would be closer to 35,000 peso, PLUS possible DEPORTATION.  The fee would be made up as follows (assume figures for 13 months):

3,030 pesos – First Visa Extension fee
22,490 pesos – Six x 2 month Visa Extension fees plus the ACR-i card fee
6,000 pesos – Fine for Overstaying (12 months)
500 pesos – Motion for Reconsideration for Overstaying
plus maybe one ACR-i card renewal fee

That is my guess, based on the actual costs for Normal Visas last year.  If anyone has paid an Overstay Fee, please give details in the comments box below, showing the date and the fee paid and the total days overstayed.  Thank you.

The Official Statement for Visa Extensions is:

Foreigners admitted under Section 9 (a) of the Philippine Immigration Act (PIA) of 1940, as amended, or Executive Order No. 408, as amended, may extend their authorized stay every two (2) months for a total stay of not more than:
– a) Twenty-four (24) months for visa-required nationals; and
– b) Thirty-six (36) months for non-visa required nationals.

The said periods shall be counted from the date of applicant’s latest recorded arrival.

Overstaying Foreigners in the Philippines

Foreigners who have overstayed for twelve (12) months or less but have been in the country beyond the maximum allowable period already may be permitted to update their stay with order to leave the country within fifteen (15) calendar days therefrom and their names may be included in the Bureau’s blacklist upon the discretion of the Commissioner; Provided that, the Commissioner, in the exercise of sound judgment, may allow such foreigners to update and extend their stay taking into consideration their Filipino lineage, medical condition, minority and other analogous circumstances.

Foreigners who have overstayed for more than twelve (12) months regardless if their stay is within the maximum allowable period or those found to be overstaying by virtue to a complaint or Mission Order regardless of the period shall be referred for deportation.

Sourced from: www.immigration.gov.ph/…/234-honorable-secretary

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I arrived here in the Philippines during the heat of the covid 19 pandemic which seemed like everyday a lockdown, I wanted to extend my visa but was unable to travel 5 hours away due to lockdowns and being told I would have to quarinetine for 14 there and once I got home which was insane! I have been here for 14 months expired visa I want to pay the fines fees and bring my visa up to date! I went with an online visa service which turned out to be a scam they scanned me for 60k peso no visa lying bastards so now I learn my visa expired I’m so paranoid that I’ve thought about kayaking from Palawan to the tip of Malaysia lol but I need to know can I just pay the fines and leave I don’t want to stay I want to leave this hell hole…ive been robbed scammed used and Im so fustrated !

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No more quarantine measures, just mainly the vaccine to fly out now. Go talk to immigration, they are pretty understanding. I think you can plead your case if you show the receipt for the online scam to them. Also request a reconsideration for your visa to be updated. You will need to pay overstay fees but you should have time to plan an exit. I would not fear them, just be honest and they should work with you to help you exit. If you have no money, you can declare indigent status. In that case go to your country’s embassy first. Good luck.

Hello i have been here since 2011 Sept im planning on going back to USA in march but i would like to know how much im looking at for penalty and overstay fees i get monthly pension from USA im just wondering how much im looking at also if i pay all my fine b4 i go will i be able to return in 6 months i know i have to ghee off the blacklist b4 leaving and i know i need to have money on hand when i go to the office im just worried ill be banned from reentering in 6 months so on martch it will be 66 months ive overstayed

Hi Admin,my husband is British-Nigerian(British Mom,Nigerian Dad),but uses a Nigerian passport,we have been married for over 2 years now and live here in Philippines,he came into philippines with a lot of money and we invested in some businesses,and a loan business with a capital of 500k pesos,the lady that managed the business(filipina) ran away with the money,the case is with the police and the barangay(we have documents for prove).Before now,he had always renewed his visa a week before expiring,but since we lost all our money,he has been unable to renew his visa,as he only get’s just 10k pesos for his allowance,we pay house rent,bills and feeding,nothing left for savings or renewing his visa,we’re so worried he might be deported and we don’t want that to happen,please kindly advice us what to do?

Hello Admin,

Me ( Filipina) and my American husband is going to Philippines for 1 and half month visit. I heard that American can stay for a month with out visa. Can he apply an extension visa before 7 days he’s stay will expired in the Philippines or he can apply an extension of his stay right away in the airport immigration after he step his foot in the Philippines? He don’t have a return ticket yet. We are moving to Africa after our visit in the Philippines. And we will wait for His tickets in the Philippines. Is it possible that He can enter Philippines with out return tickets? Any Advice Please. and thank you for your time.

hi admin
I overstayed since Oct 10, 2015 9(f), till now, i just want to go back home and stay there, can u tell me how much should i pay, i am ready to pay the amount whatever it is. I had finacial difficulties and other issues back home. I need ur help pls reply me regarding this. cause i have already booked a flight going back at oct 30, i want to be prepared so i want get stoped at the airport for lacking funds.

Hi admin i just want to know if ECC certifies that i payed for overstaying fees? And i can leave the country? I already paid for 12k plus at immigration but theres no indication of my receipt that i paid for overstaying fees. I suppose to have my flight last November 29 but i wasnt able to make the board because the immigration told me to get the ECC.

Hi admin im going back home to visit my family and my boyfriend is coming with me he has canadian passport we will be staying for 33 day i know he is allowed to stay without visa for 30 days but we r staying 33 days. Can we get waiver for 3 days? Or apply for visa? Can u please give us some advice..on what to do? Can we get visa upon arrival? Thanks!

Hello admin
I’m overstay here is since 2 month 20 days I lost my passport also I am ready to pay all is it possible for deportation bcoz I want to extension of visa

US citizen (filipino born) with 3 kids stayed here on Balikbayan Visa last December 2014 but the mother (not married) of the kids was not given Balikbayan visa but extended her visa for 3 months then they paid for 1 month extension only. They are planning to leave by November.

Will the cost be:

30,000 Total for Up to Twelve Months Overstay
60,000 Total for Up to Two Years Overstay

him and kids — 30,000 x 4 = 120,000.00
mother – 60,000
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180,000 ?

Any suggestion on how to lessen the cost? He’s also planning to apply for dual citizenship. Will it help to apply for dual citizenship first? Or it must be fixed first?

hi admin
I overstayed since mid 2012 9(f), till now, i just want to go back home and stay there, can u tell me how much should i pay, i am ready to pay the amount whatever it is. I had finacial difficulties and other issues back home. I need ur help pls reply me regarding this. cause i have already booked a flight going back at oct 20, i want to be prepared so i want get stoped at the airport for lacking funds.

Thank you for the info , so I will be deported and I can never come back ? Is there any process to reverse the deportation title. I have flight Tom and waiting for said 150000 funds to arrive. So I can never comeback ???

What is/are best solutions to expired student visa overstayed for 10months?
I look to the fore for your beneficial response Admin

Hello, me and my two children are german passport holders. We came to philippines with a balikbayan visa because im born filipina. We exited 2013 to renew our 1 year visa. But 2014 to 2016 we couldnt exit due to financial problems and missplaced documents. Now that we have our passports back i want to know how much penalty we are going to pay for 3 years overstaying. I have no idea how and where to start. And is there any possibilities of getting blacklisted even if paying all the penalties? Please help us i am having a hard time. I just want to know how much our penalty is and where to go to fix everything. Thank you admin

Thank you very much admin, im sorry i meant 2 years overstaying. From 2014 until 2016. Is it still 90 000 pesos each?

If i go to BOI do i have to pay the fees right on the spot? I am scared to go there without having the amount i must pay. ?

Hello admin my niece is 13 y/o now. Was born in the US with a filipino citizen parents. She was brought home by my sister and was staying in the Philippines from 2004 until now 2016 She has expired US passport. My niece wanted to go back to US. Does she need to pay fees or penalties? How much would the fee be? Or could it be waived since she has no choice but to stay with her parents during that time? Please advise thanks

Been here in the Philippines for 22 years now? But now I want to go back to Canada? I’m afraid I can’t go back if I didn’t pay for my tax here in the Philippines,can I still go to Canada without paying?

Do I still need a visa I’m a Canadian passport holder. .could I go back to Canada without visa?.?and what if I didn’t go to Canadian embassy and just book a flight is it possible

I’ve been here in the Philippines for 21 years. My Mom take me in the Philippines when I was a child.i really don’t know what to do for me to go back to Canada

Hi admin
I’m Mercedes and I’m a Canadian citizen I was born in Canada but my mom take me here in the Philippines when I was a little and never been there for a very long time. I want to go back to Canada but I don’t know how, we did renewed my passport what else could I do for me to be able to go back.? I’m 22 years old now .do I need to pay for my stay here in the Philippines?. What else do I need to ?do I need a visa to go back in Canada? What if I didn’t pay for my tax here can I still go back to Canada without paying?

Hi! My mother is a u.s.citizen. She arrived here in the Philippines in May 2013 and now wants to go back to U,S. She’s already 92 years old. Does she have to pay the penalties or is there any way that she can waive the penalties. How much should she pay if there’s any?

how can my husband get a visa since him and I (Filipino) are already married? what is the easiest process since he wants to stay and live here in the Philippines for good. And what should we do to process his residency here in the Philippines we just arrive here September 1st 2016 recently.

Hope to hear your response asap..

thank you so much.

My daughter is a US Citizen infant, born to a Filipino mother who is a Green Card holder. They are planning a visit to the Philippines next year (the baby will still be less than a year old). How long can the baby stay without incurring fees?

Hello admin.. I want to ask something my baby was born in the phil . And he is american father, the father file him a crba in the usembassy manila and approved in june 8 2016 my baby is american citizen now, but because of not complete requirements, he was not giving a u.s passport maybe we get a passport nextyear. I just wanna ask if he started pay penalty?how much his penalty? Thank u

Hello. I have a friend who is staying here in Ph for almost 22 years now. He was born in the US but his mother brought him here in Ph when he was still 8months old. He didnt apply for a dual citizen. He plans to go back to US with his father’s relatives. Is there any penalty for this particular situation?

Can he get a lawyer regarding this? His mother went back to California soon after she left him here. His US passport was misplaced.

Hi,

For unregistered native-born foreigner who wasn’t able to register for ACR and who never left the country (undocumented native aliens).. does he/she have the same penalty as those foreigners who enter the country or different computations? For 30 years stay since birth, how much would be the ACR fees, etc. penalty estimate? Thank you.

hi! I have lived in the Philippines for 14 years married a year ago to a Filipino women 36 years Old. six months ago the immigration officer told me I had to report to the Immigration office in manila on the 20th of October . he does not know why nether do I ‘ But am still paying for my two months Visa . if it was that important why ask me to report in six months time? My question is should I worry to much a bout it as I am 85 years old . can you give any advice? Thanks

Hello. Im curious to know how I can arrange to make payments for my overstay fee in the Philippines. Would flying there and make the payment at the airport be an option? I currently reside in the US and planning on revisiting next year. Also, would getting a dual citizenship be at all helpful?

Yes. I have the exact amount that I need to pay, and they let me leave without settling the fines. But of course, I am blacklisted and can’t re-enter the country without paying it.

Hi admin. Any advise?

I will try and do that and let you know what happens. I am a US citizen and over stayed in PH for almost 11 years. When I finally decided to come back in the US, I sought the US embassy’s assistance. The ambassador wrote a letter to the BoI addressed to the Secretary. The BoI granted the embassy’s request to let me leave the country without paying the fee but the deal is that I will be on the blacklist and will only be lifted and allowed to reenter the country once I pay my outstanding fees.

I’ve missed my father’s funeral 2 years ago because of this. So now that I’m somewhat able to save, I would love to go back at least once to revisit my hometown again. I will post what happens in my quest to go back home and let you guys know how it goes. Thanks for the advice! ?

Hello Admin!

My mother is 83 years old and a US citizen. She went on vacation on 01/2016 got sick and hospitalized for 2months and now if recovering. She will be returning back to US on 04/2017. Will I be exempted from paying any fines if I show proof that she was hospitalized? Assuming I have to pay, How much do I have to pay overstaying for 3months and Can I pay the fines at the Airport? Your help is much Appreciated. THANKS!

Hello Admin!

I think we have no choice but to pay at the Airport Bureau of Immigration because its inconvenient for my Mom who is 83 years old and using a wheelchair. Hopefully, they would allow her to pay at the airport and not in the MAIN BoI office. May I ask why I should not risk paying at the Airport? Will they give me a Receipt after payment? Thanks for your help Admin.!!

Please let us know how this works out for you! Thanks!

Good day,thank you for this website this helps a lot.I knew a foreign friend guy whose overstayed here in the Philippines for 8 years now,he is married to a filipina and they had a 7 years old son which is filipino citizen.He lost his passport but the embassy issued him a new one last May..He has difficulty in financial.
My question is How much does my foreign friend going to pay for penalties?Is he gonna be deported?Is there anything he can do to stay legal here in the Philippines forever?He has a family here now and he doesn’t want to go back to his country.
Thank you.

Hi Admin,

I am a US citizen and my wife is a Philippine citizen. Our daughter was born in the Philippines and has obtained her US citizenship and US passport. I am living in the US and my daughter has lived with my wife in the Philippines. My daughter is now 4 years old and we decided she will come live with me in the US. Will we have to pay these overstay fees for the past 4 years? Is there any way to get around it? Thanks.

Is there no solution for this other then to pay the penalties? If we get her dual citizenship, would she then be excluded from the fees? Really need some help on this. Thanks.

Thanks for not even replying to my question.

is philippines passport the only way? that could take 3 months. i was offloaded with my fil-am baby, born in phils with us passport, yesterday and my phil wife stayed on the plane so she wouldn’t miss her usa visa entry date.

so i’m stuck here alone with the baby, and she is waiting for us alone in usa.

so it’s really ~50k php per year of baby, or wait 3 months for passport? why wouldn’t the us embassy warn of such a disastrous policy? phil wife in usa, phil baby stuck in philippines even tho it has a us passport?

Ed were you able to solve this?

Hi,

I, my husband and our 3 year old son arrived in the Philippines last January 2016. We are all US Citizens already. I & husband got naturalized in the US (we are both born in the Philippines). Our son was born in the US.
My questions are:

1) How could we stay longer (for more than 1 year) in the Philippines without applying for dual citizenship & avoid the penalties, is there a way?

2) Once we go back in the US, are there penalties or fines that US Immigration will charge if they check that we stayed in the Philippines for more than one year?

Hello!

My Grandmother arrived Sept 2014 and allowed to stay till Sept 2015. As a natural born filipino citizen is she allowed to re acquisition of her filipino citizen as currently she is American Citizen.

Does she have penalties now? How much do you think her fine and penalties?

Hello..my boyfriend was applying for indigency deportation cause he cannot pay and stay longer in the Philippines due to financial difficulties.n all his things was burned. His a fire victim in cebu. When we went to beauru of immigration for a stamp to his papers they’re asking for a payment which is p55000..but when we ask for any copy for the paper they said its confidential.. Hope you can help us..

For a 19 months overstay I payed 79.500 Peso. I’m diabetic and get a bacterial infection on my feet. BIR is very hard and they don’t recognize any illnes or whatever what makes extention unpossible. Pay or leave even married.

Hi tony. How did you make the payment? I am planning on going home next year and I am currently residing in the US.

My boyfriend is a US citizen but a balikbayan and has overstayed here for about 16 years- last stamp dated 2000. He is aware of the expensive penalty fees. He also has an updated Philippine Passport. He has gone to non-visa countries using his Philippine passport since 2011. He’s been wanting to re-enter with his US Passport to start his visa but might be questioned when he last left. Now, he must depart to a visa required detination and would like to use his US Passport so he would not need a visa. Could he just show his Philippine passport at the airport counter to exit without the required visa and have his US passport handy to show proof that he could travel to his destination? What would you suggest to avoid the expensive fees ? Thank you

I have an overstay of 2year 5 months and I am trv indian married to a Filipina,and I want to stay in the Philippines .pls I need ur advice and guidance on how to about it.and I don’t want to leave Philippines

I have an overstay of 1year 2months and I am married to a Filipina,and I want to stay permanently in the Philippines for ever.pls I need ur advice and guidance on how to about it.and I don’t want to leave Philippines

i have a friend who is confused because he arrived in the philippines on a tourist visa but the stamp they put isnt clear but the lady who did it said he has a one year visa. He only planned to stay for 20 days but he got sick so now he is stil there and missed his flight. The weird part of the stamp at the arrival was that the flight number wasnt the same as in his ticket and the visa tthey gave is unreadble. is it possible that they can make error or is there a problem or does he even have a visa at all. He didnt plan to overstay but he is scared that there is something wrong Who does he need to ask to clarify if he has a valid visa?

I need advice. I am a uk citizen.
My situation is that I came here on October 3rd 2015. Stupidly I have not extended any visas until this point.
Can anyone advise me on the best course of action to take, will I be arrested / blacklisted and how much should I expect to pay?
I really need to head back to the uk asap

I overstayed in the philipphines for 4 years but paid all my fees and came back to the u.s . I now live here , but i would like to know if i can go nack to the philipphines for a short vacation .i have a roundtrip ticket . And the documents stating i was not blacklisted but i recall a guy in the u.s embassy told me thay i had to stay in the u.s at least four years before i can go back ? Please help !

Hello,

Any idea how much a 9 month over stay will cost to renew?

Hi Admin,

I have a Korean friend whose visa is expired for more than 2yrs. His reason for overstaying is because he has a child with a Filipina. He wanted to renew his visa and wants to know what is the first step? Is it possible for me to arrange his visa by giving SPA on his behalf? Where can I get the format for Motion for Reconsideration? Will he be deported right away? or just pay the penalty and wait for the result from Commissioner?

Thanks

Hello admin,
Am a student in d Phils but my baby is on tourist visa. Is there a way of changing d status of his visa or putting him on mine since he’s a minor?
And if his visa expires 1st but the date of authorised stay stamped at d port of entry reads 14th, will it be extended before 1st or 14th?
Thanks

How to extend po my visa for 2-3days…. How much did i pay for it… And where did go for extention my visa..

I’m us permanent resident but my daughter is US citizen she ‘s 2 years old we’re staying PI now we would like to stay another 2 months do I need to pay for Extention too?

Hello admin..i want to ask how much does it cost for overstay 2days for my visa and i want to extend it for one month

Good day..my son was born 2002 in the USA..he is here in the Philippines now..the last time he exited the Philippines was 2008..we just renewed his US passport last June 2016..me and my wife are both Filipino..my son wants to go study in the USA this year..question is,is there a penalty and if there is,how much?tnx..pls reply asap..

He don’t have a Philippine passport

Good evening admin,

I have a friend who overstayed for 7 years and he is a100% Disabled Retired Veteran . He is getting his check up and his medicines at The Dept O veterans Affairs Out patient Clinic in Manila. He is Married to a Filipina who is a Filipina Citizen . How much is the penalty?

I’m on holidays at home in India now. My student visa expires 2 days after my return to the Philippines. Will I be granted entry or do I have to return earlier?

I’ve finished BS, I plan on enrolling for MD as soon as I return. So I can’t renew it now, I can only after I return to the Philippines. So is it alright admin?

I have extension for 6 month now, I’m malaysian holder. I still using tourist visa.
Do I need to pay any penalty fees, if I leave the country on the same day of visa expire.
For example; Visa expires on 12th Sept and my flight is 12th Sept, evening.

Can I enter back on the same month after few weeks? After that is the immigration allow me to extent again?
Each every renew, I need to pay extra 1000 peso.

Admin how about me Lucas can you give me an advice too thank you

Hello I have been over stayed for 1year and 3mouth coz of a car accident my visa is a student visa(9f )I really need to know how much the penalty fees it will cost me coz I want to finish my school before they black listed me thank you

Hi I’m in cebu staying on Indian passport with singapore visa ..granted by visa viewer by philippines for 21 days…but I want to stay more months what I should .which they say I can’t extend my visa from philippine on this kind of visa. Please give me a solution.im about to marry

Thanks but I had not asked about it anyone …would be grateful if u let me know any details please…cause I’m going to marry my gf here soon ..thank u

Boi says only maximum extend period is 1 week.that is total 21 days ..so please help me out if any possible way that I would stay here more period legally

what would be the charge etc for nearly 4 years overstay for tourist friend who has common in law wife and son should he wish to return to his home country .Thank you .

Three and half years overstay ,if i wish to return to uk will i be arrested when i try to pay the arrears and will i be black marked even though i have son and common in law wife. regards

Helo admin
I came here in the Philippines on June 3 2012 to study in Adamson University. I did enroll and studied there in Adamson, and yes I also extended my tourist visa three times while my student visa was in process.
After 4 months I heard my Dad was accused of being missused some money of the company he worked with and he was imprisoned 3 and half years. That led me to very bad situation (especially financial)cos my Dad is the only person supported me to come here and study, so i had to stop studying and lived with my friends, its 4 years now.
But now my dad is already out from the prision,my dad gonna pay whatever every penalty charges the immigration gonna give, I just don’t wanna be blacklisted cos i really wanna resume my study in Adamson University again Please.
Admin please can you atleast give me approximate amount/how much money will i have to pay (4years overstaying), so i can let my dad know. PLEASE..!!

talk to leo frias he is a basketball player in adamson university maybe he can give you some advice about it

Hi sir/maam,
Im a u.s citizen i stayed here in the phil.when i was 3 years old and now im already 24 years old i stayed here almost 21 years.i dont have phil.passport not a dual citizen and i dont have also any phil.documents just only a u.s documents.i just want to know how to waive all my penalties here phil.because we dont have enough MONEY to paid that penalties what is the best solution?..please help me im intreating you sir/maam.

Yes they are both filipino thank you.

Hi Justin..I just want to ask if the admin answered your problem?my son has the same situation..

Do we have a penalty for the child sir? She was born last year. July 09 2015. The immigration dumaguete said, there isnt need a visa. Only need when they are leaving in the philippines, we need to come in the manila immigration for having birth report. What is the true sir..

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